Alternative is that OpenAI is being quickly locked out of sources of human interactions because of competition, one way to "fix" that is build you're own meadow for data cows.

xAI isn't allowing people to use the Twitter feed to train AI

Google is keeping it's properties for Gemini

Microsoft, who presumably could let OpenAI use it's data fields appears (publicly at least) to be in a love/hate relationship with OpenAI these days.

So you plant a meadow of tasty human interaction morsels to get humans to sit around and munch on them while you hook up your milking machine to their data teats and start sucking data.

Don't underestimate the importance of multi-user human/AI interactions.

Right now OAI's synthetic data pipeline is very heavily weighted to 1-on-1 conversations.

But models are being deployed into multi-user spaces that OAI doesn't have access to.

If you look at where their products are headed right now, this is very much the right move.

Expect it to be TikTok style media formats.

> If you've built your value on promising imminent AGI then this sort of thing is purely a distraction, and you wouldn't even be considering it... unless you knew you weren't about to shortly offer AGI.

I’m not a big fan of OpenAI but this seems a little unfair. They have (or at least had) a pretty kick ass product. Great brand value too.

Death-knell? Maybe… but I wouldn’t read into it. I’d be looking more at their key employees leaving. That’s what kills companies.

AGI is a technology or a feature, not a product. ChatGPT is a product. They need some more products to pay for one of the most expensive technologies ever (to not be delivered yet).

I think it might just be about distribution. Grok gets a lot of interesting opportunities for it over X, then throw in the way people reacted to new 4o image gen capabilities.

OpenAI's idea of "shortly" offering AGI is "thousands" of days, 2000 days is just under 5.5 years.

Indeed! Ultimately, all online business models end at ad click revenue.

this might just be a way to generate data

It is a Threads. How is that doing?

There could be too-many-cooks in the AI research part of their work.

Also, I don't think Sama thinks like a typical large org managers. OpenAI has enough money to have all sorts of products/labs that are startup like. No reason to standby waiting for the research work.

The culture presents such a tempting world view for the type of people who populate HN.

I've transitioned from strongly actually believing that such a thing was possible to strongly believing that we will destroy ourselves with AI long before we get there.

I don't even think it'll be from terminators and nuclear wars and that sort of thing. I think it will come wrapped in a hyper-specific personalized emotional intelligence, tuned to find the chinks in our memetic firewalls just so. It'll sell us supplements and personalized media and politicians and we'll feel enormously emotionally satisfied the whole time.

The Culture is about a post-capitalist utopia. You’re describing yet another cyberpunk-esque world where people have still have to do wage-labor to not starve.

> The real high earners will be the ones who can deliver live, unassisted art that showcases their skills with instruments and their voice.

We already have so many of those that it’s very hard to make any sort of living at it. Very hard to see a world in which more people go into that market and can earn a living as anything other than a fantasy.

Cynically - I think we'd probably end up with more influencers, people who are young, good looking and/or charismatic enough to hold the attention of other people for long enough to sell them something.

Naah… in the culture you could change your sex at will, something soon to be illegal.

Stepping away from social media can feel like getting your brain back

Oh I get one thing - other than ads. So the idea of an LLM filter to algorithmically tailor your own consumption has some utility.

The logical application would be an existing social network -using- chat gpt to do this.

But all the existing ones have their own models, so if they can't plug in to an existing one like goooooogle did to yahoo in the olden days, they have to start their own.

That makes a certain amount of (backward) sense for them. I don't think it'll work. But there's some logic if you're looking from -their- worldview.

Social media is a plague, including LinkedIn. Anything that lets you follow others and/or erodes your anonymity is just different degrees of cancer waiting to happen.

The best I ever enjoyed the internet was the sweet spot between dial up and DSL where I was gaming in text based/turn based games, talking on forums, and chatting using IRC.

LOL, you're on a social network right now. HN is one. Yeah, it's semi-anonymous, but there are many users with known names here.

An interesting use for AI right now would be using it as a gatekeeping filter, selecting social media for quality based on customisable definitions of quality.

Using it as a filter instead of a generator would provide information about which content has real social value, which content doesn't, and what the many dimensions of "value" are.

The current maximalist "Use AI to generate as much as possible" trend is the opposite of social intelligence.

Why would AI be any better at filtering out spam than developers have so far been with ML?

The only way to avoid spam is to actually make a social network for humans, and the only way to do so is to verify each account belongs to a single human. The only way I've found that this can be done is by using passports[0].

0 - https://onlyhumanhub.com

No, nothing of value. If you ever want to lose faith in the future of humanity search "@grok" on Twitter and look at all the interactions people have with it. Just total infantilism, people needing tl;drs spoon-fed to them, needing summarization and one-word answers because they don't want to read, arguing with it or whining to Musk if they don't get the answer they want to confirm what they already believe.

You also can get Grok to fact check bullshit by tagging @grok and asking it a question about a post. Unfortunately this is not realtime as it can sometimes take up to an hour to respond, but I've found it to be pretty level headed in its responses. I use this feature often.

Also, what is their USP? "Join our social network so we can train our models on your data!"

They just want the next wave of Ghibli meme clicks to go to them, really.

This will be built on the existing thread+share infra ChatGPT already has, and just allow profiles to cross-post into conversations, with UI and features more geared toward remixing each other's images.

The answer seems more obvious to me. They dont even care if its competitive or scales too much. xAI has a crazy data advantage firehousing Twitter, llama FB/IG and CGPT just has, well, the internet.

Id hope they have some clever scheme to acquire users, but ultimately they want the data/

I actually would love this. I hate having to go to another website to share some thoughts I had using tools in a platform.

I miss the days when experiences would actually choose to integrate other platforms into their experiences, yes I was sort of a fan of the FB/Google share button and Twitter side feed (not the tracking bits though).

I wasn't a fan of LLM and the whole chat experience a few years ago, I'm a very mild convert now with the latest models and I'm getting some nominal benefit, so I would love to have some kind of shared chat session to brain storm, e.g. on a platform better than Figma.

The one integration of AI that I think is actually neat is Teams + AI Note taking. It's still a hit or miss a lot of the time, but it at least saves and notes something important 30% of the time.

Collaboration enhancements would be a wonderful outcome in place of AGI.

This would be a natural step if it were 2010. In 2025, it sounds like a lack of imagination to me.

  > but about the originality of the content itself

Your metric is too ill-defined. Here, have some highly unique content

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  ClRF73KITgz5DVnSO0YUxMB6o7P9gh8I
  1ttcQiNdQuIs4axdAJvjaFXXkxq0EvGq
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If we need unique valid human language outputs I'll still disagree. Most human output is garbage. Good luck on your two tasks: 1) searching for high quality content 2) de-duplicating. Both are still open problems and we're pretty bad at both. De-duping images is still a tough task, before we even begin to address the problem of semantic de-duplication.

Yes, this. That's my bet if OpenAI follows through with social features.

Extend ChatGPT to allow multiple people / friends to interact with the bot and each other. Would be interesting UX challenge if they're able to pull it off. I frequently share chats from other platforms, but typically those platforms don't allow actual collaboration and instead clone the chat for the people I shared.

Yeah, the dream is the AI facilitating "organic" human connection

What's a "LLM-native/enabled group chat"?

Alright, I'll bite. What's a reasonable price for Reddit? Aren't most of their users bots?

Discord is the real play.

Sounds like some crossover with Civit.ai

I think its more likely that they're desperate to find a profitable business model.

Honestly I wonder if it’s because Altman loves X and is threatened by Grok

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I'm sorry to say this exists: https://socialai.co

Here's how to kill Twitter and Bluesky AND Mastodon:

1: use an LLM to extract the text from memes and relatable comics.

2: use an LLM to extract the transcriptions of videos.

3: use an LLM to censor all political speech.

OpenAI, I believe in you. You can do it. Save the Internet.

If you can clean my FYP of current events I'll join your social media before you can ask a GPT how to get more users.

Social media is becoming TikTok’s clone army, with algorithms hooked on short-form videos for max engagement.

Text, images, and long-form content are getting crushed, forcing creators into bite-sized video to be favored by almighty algorithm.

It’s like letting a kid pick their meals - nothing but sugar and candy all day.

I don't know, but a weight bench goes under $200 and Sam needs some chest gains fast.

Social networks tend to reflect the character of their founders. Do you really want to see what Sam Altman can do?

Another twitter clone will help the decline of human intelligence, the dumber humans are the smarter the Ai appears.

Collecting millions of people’s thoughts and interactions with each other IS probably on the path to better LLMs at least.

Not well designed enough to live, though.

I don't believe it was well designed, it felt clunky to use, concepts weren't intuitive enough to understand after a few uses.

I tried to use it for a few months after release, always got frustrated to the point I didn't feel like reaching out to friends to be part of it.

The absurd annoyance of its marketing, pushing it into every nook and cranny of Google's products was the nail in the coffin. I'm starting to feel as annoyed by the push with Gemini, it just keeps popping up at annoying times when I want to do my work.

that would be cool, google+ was very unique and i was kinda sad google killed it off

what did you like about it?

I've been saying for a while that the next innovation beyond TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube is to get rid of human creators entirely. Just have a 100% AI-generated slop-feed tailor made for the user.

There's already a ton of AI slop on those platforms, so we're like half way there, but what I mean is eliminating the entire idea of humans submitting content. Just never-ending hypnotic slop guided by engagement maximizing algorithms.

You really think an OpenAI-sponsored social network is going to attract people who create and share original content?

Nice in theory but don’t know how practical it is to actually do.

How do you define “good”? Theres obvious examples at the extremes but a chasm of ambiguity between them.

How do you compute value? If an AI takes 200 million images to train, wait let me write that out to get a better sense of the number:

200,000,000

Then what is the value of 1 image to it? Is it worth the 3 hours of human labour time put into creating it? Is it worth 1 hour of human labour time? Even at minimum wage? No, right?

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Yes, I've been cataloging the mewing and lookmaxxing progress of hundreds of public figures

Did he? Flipping back and forth between old vs. new photos of him, his facial structure seems roughly the same.

But collecting more data is just a naive task. The reason scale works is because of the way we typically scale. By collecting more data, we also tend to collect a wider variety of data and are able to also collect more good quality data. But that has serious limits. You can only do this so much before you become equivalent to the naive scaling method. You can prove this yourself fairly easily. Try to train a model on image classification and take one of your images and permute one pixel at a time. You can get a huge amount of scale out of this but your network won't increase in performance. It is actually likely to decrease.

If that were the case he (Musk) wouldn’t have turned it into a Nazi-filled red pilled echo chamber.